SPEAKER_04 0:01

Well, good evening. We are coming to you from Brevard, North Carolina on our annual Mother's Day trip. Lauren and I are now co-hosting our fifth episode so far and um working while we're playing, which is what we normally do.

SPEAKER_00 0:20

Because we can't sit down. I mean we're sitting down doing this, but we can't sit down.

SPEAKER_02 0:27

We're always doing something.

SPEAKER_04 0:28

It's always a balance, right? So how many years have you been coming here now?

SPEAKER_02 0:34

I've been coming here about a decade, I think. Uh this trip's been going on about 11 years, I think. And I've been coming for 10, pretty sure. It's been going on for 11 or 12 years, and I've been coming for 10, pretty sure.

SPEAKER_04 0:49

Why do you come back every year?

SPEAKER_02 0:51

Why do I come back every year? Um this is probably one of my all-time favorite trips. I uh get to spend time with my Aunt Debbie and my Aunt Kim and Vicky, and then uh obviously I get to spend a weekend with my favoritist best friend ever.

SPEAKER_04 1:09

Who? Is she here? Did I miss her?

SPEAKER_02 1:11

Is there an owl?

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Woo-hoo!

SPEAKER_04 1:16

My favorite part of the trip is always the views. Right now I'm looking off the back of our patio, the sun's setting with the mountain views and the forest surrounding us, and it's just gorgeous. Just gorgeous. Like, we'll post some pictures for y'all on our Facebook page later, but um I always look forward to the hiking on Sundays.

SPEAKER_02 1:37

Yeah, we've been outside uh all day today hiking. Uh we did Twin Falls today, so that was about a four-mile hike. It was it was great. We hike every year on Sunday. Usually Debbie and Vicky and Kim leave, and it's just me and you here on Sundays, so for Mother's Day we go hiking. Uh and we do a different waterfall, I think, every year.

SPEAKER_04 2:01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 2:01

Except for the year we missed one. That didn't count.

SPEAKER_04 2:05

Oh yeah. And why why did why did we miss that one?

SPEAKER_02 2:09

I mean, I feel like that's not really my fault. You kind of looking at me like that's my fault.

SPEAKER_04 2:14

But anyways. Um who's the topographical star?

SPEAKER_02 2:20

Me, but you're you're navigating from the passenger seat.

SPEAKER_04 2:24

Yeah, I'm I am challenged when it comes to geography. Oh, you challenged geography. Geography.

SPEAKER_02 2:30

I can't even get the word out. See?

SPEAKER_04 2:33

That challenges me.

SPEAKER_02 2:34

Uh no, one year. I was seven weeks post-C-section. I had just had Mahala. That was 2023. I had just had Mahala. You were getting ready to have ankle surgery that December. And I had just had her in March. So we were both kind of hobbling through a hike.

SPEAKER_04 2:53

And uh little invalids doing their normal hike.

SPEAKER_02 2:56

Yeah. And uh doing what we normally do. And this lady at the uh ranger station who, you know, gave us the wrong directions was like, oh yeah, go up this.

SPEAKER_04 3:08

Not that that happened again today. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 3:11

With a different ranger. Thanks, Tim. Um I'm probably gonna get a comment on this. He's probably gonna stumble upon this and listen and be like, wow. Um, but this lady gave us a gave us directions, and we get two miles into this hike, and it's literally straight uphill. And I'm struggling already because, again, seven weeks post-C-section. And I've only been back to work a week, so I had like no stamina. I hadn't hiked since I got pregnant the summer before. So um, we get two miles up this uphill battle, and this mountain bike lady goes, Are you all hiking the entire 10 miles on foot? And we were like, What? And she's like, Oh, she gave you the wrong direction. So we had to hike two miles back down the hill to the start of the trail, and that one was like four or six miles long. Because you asked me if I was up to it, and I was like, Yeah, why wouldn't I be? I don't know, the C section, seven weeks before. Um so we ended up we ended up going on this big hike, and about halfway through my hips said, nah, big dog, you done. Sit down. Sit down. You s you seven weeks post No. Mm-mm. Sit sit down. And you you had to work on me. And I laid on a rock and I was in so much pain that I was sweating real bad. And I laid on this rock and there was this little sweat angel when I got up.

SPEAKER_04 4:44

Was it the pain or the sunshine that made you sweat? Both. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 4:48

Yes. Um so there's a picture of Christina and she's like bent over on this rock, and I'm laying on it, and she's got her hand in my psoas, which is like through the stomach, for those of you that don't know that. And uh she had to work on me to get me going again. And while I'm laying on this rock, I said, How pissed would you be if we did all this and then we missed this waterfall? And she's like irritated. She looks at me and she goes, Pretty pissed. And I was like, Oh, okay, well, then what do we do? We miss the waterfall. And I was like, Ah, my bad, sorry. Then we we get back to the truck.

SPEAKER_03 5:28

We saw a little, a little one.

SPEAKER_02 5:30

Teeny baby one. That was like a trickle. Um we get back to the truck and we were so sore because again, I was post-C-section and she was getting ready to have a pretty big ankle surgery, and we get to the truck and she's like, I'm hungry, I need food. And I'm like, Alright. So we go to this Mexican restaurant.

SPEAKER_04 5:50

You've got 17 minutes exactly to feed me.

SPEAKER_02 5:53

17's a stretch. If she says something sounds good or she's hungry, you better find it in 10 or less, or she's a whole different human being. Y'all see her as this nice little whimsical, like loving little little ginger angel, and then if she says I'm hungry or something sounds good, and you ignore that, she's like a little ginger dragon. Bear. I sounded more like a little bear. Like a little baby bear. Um so we go to this Mexican restaurant, we get out of the truck. We had to park like two blocks down, and we get out of the truck, and uh we get to the front of it, and there's like 25 stairs, and we just look at each other because neither one of us can make it up these stairs. And we finally like hold on to each other's hand and the rail and struggle bus it up those 25 stairs. We get in there and we eat, and Christina looks like the poo bear gif on the or gif, however you say that, I don't really know. But uh Christina looks like that little poo bear when you feed it, and it's like going back and forth, you know.

SPEAKER_04 6:58

What's it do?

SPEAKER_02 6:59

It's going back and forth like this. All happy.

SPEAKER_04 7:03

Uh I burned like 1200 calories on my dog.

SPEAKER_02 7:08

You did. You worked real hard. You almost had to piggyback me out of there. That'd have been a feet. Uh is it a feet or a fe a feet? It's a feet. It's a feet. Um So we get done eating. We're sitting at the table and she's just staring at me and I said, What? She's like, I can't get up. And I said, What do you mean you can't get up? She's like, I can't get up from the table. She said, My legs are like locked. Because, you know, we had just done like eight miles unprepared. And I was like, Well, I'm seven weeks post-C section. I don't know what I'm gonna do for you. You're gonna have to get up. Eventually we got up and we walked and we came home and took Epsom salt baths for like two hours. It's always fun. How did you get started on this trip?

SPEAKER_04 8:03

Well, I mean, I got granted my little invitation wrapped in little purples velvet bow.

SPEAKER_02 8:10

You did by Debbie herself.

SPEAKER_04 8:11

By Debbie herself.

SPEAKER_02 8:12

The OG trip organizer.

SPEAKER_04 8:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 8:15

The trip started when my Aunt Debbie, who's not really my aunt, my Aunt Kim, who's not really my aunt, and they got together and they started doing this trip to Brevard, North Carolina, every year for Mother's Day. Um, because I guess it seems like a good idea. We needed something else to do, which we did. So they started, and then I got asked to come, and then it's kind of built from there. Vicky, who's also a massage therapist from uh Illinois, she comes. So it's kind of been the little core group of the four of us, and then people have like added on and fallen off, you know, people have come and then they haven't come back, or they've come and then they've had different life events and stuff happen, and then uh in 2020 Debbie wanted to bring Christina, so Christina's been coming ever since.

SPEAKER_04 9:08

Yep. And I love it. My the hikes are my favorite part, of course. Um this year was a little bit different because we actually scheduled something and we went and seen Bobby, who is a tie massage therapist, um, my fascial therapist, and we got massages when we came in. We did.

SPEAKER_02 9:32

Um that was the first time we've ever scheduled something, and it was it was awesome.

SPEAKER_04 9:36

It was fantastic.

SPEAKER_02 9:37

Yeah. Bobby uh Bobby Wilson. Bobby Wilson.

SPEAKER_04 9:40

Yeah, I felt like, you know, this is a pottery town. Felt like he just put me on his little mat on the floor and molded my whole fascia to be where it's supposed to be. And I was like, oh, now just kiln me so it stays that way. Fell me in the kiln.

SPEAKER_02 9:55

Yeah. Time massage. This was my first experience with Thai massage. Christina gets it um back home in Louisville, but uh this is my first experience with Thai massage here or anywhere. Uh and it was it was awesome. It was matte, so it was on the floor. Um, there's table tie and then there's matte tie. Uh, but he did mat tie mixed with John Barnes' my fascia release, and it was it was awesome. Uh he hit everything that I had on my sheet and pretty well took care of it, honestly.

SPEAKER_04 10:26

I told Lauren I was like, hey, I'm signing us up for Thai massage. She goes, Cool. She goes, What is that?

SPEAKER_02 10:33

I did the same thing when you signed us up with uh to take Billy's class. Billy's a Thai practitioner in Louisville, and Christina works with him. And uh she said, Hey, you want to take this Thai massage class with me with Billy? And I was like, Yeah. And like two weeks later, she asked me a question, and uh I said, What do you mean? And she's like, Well, that's part of time massage. She said, Do you know what time massage is? I was like, nah. I'm just I'm just down to take another class. Our continuing ed requirement is like 12 hours every other year, with two of those being ethics, and I think Christina and I get that 12 years every by every January, and then after that we're just rolling hours. We take a lot of continuing ed together, together and separate.

SPEAKER_04 11:18

Yeah. I think it's really important that if you know, one of the things that you look for in a massage therapist is how much continue ed they actually do, you know, and is it in person or is it online? Because for me, I'm continually learning, and continually learning means in classroom hours, but also hands-on hours. And I think that's what I think that's what sets our place apart from everybody else's is that you know, a couple years ago we decided to just be a therapeutic office.

SPEAKER_02 11:52

Which means now more full body.

SPEAKER_04 11:54

Yeah, which means that we don't really do full body work, and full body work is not that we can't therapeutically do that, it's the people who are looking for the Swedish massage, the the luxury, um full body stuff where they just zone out and they feel better for maybe 24 to 48 hours. It's a great experience, it feels good, but is it going to fix anything? So I think I think we mutually decided, but also individually decided that we wanted to change our practice to meet quality of touch meeting quality of life.

SPEAKER_02 12:33

We didn't do a lot of full body massage anyway. I know I did.

SPEAKER_04 12:37

I did a lot.

SPEAKER_02 12:37

I know I haven't since I started because I just never really loved it like I loved therapeutic work, but I think I think some of it of why we don't do a lot of full body massage is just or why we don't like it per se is just because we both have medical backgrounds, so it makes more sense to do more medical stuff and uh fix it for long term when we know we can fix it rather than just kind of kind of help them zone out. Does that make sense?

SPEAKER_04 13:09

Yeah, but I just here's my take on that, right? Like everybody, every I mean you can get a full body massage at Massage Envy, at Elements, at all the places that all the big companies that offer those things, you can get a really good full body massage anywhere, but you can't always get therapeutic work everywhere. And sometimes it's because most big companies are their hands are kind of tied on what they're allowed to do or what they want to project to do for the clientele. Um, I just I just want you to come in and learn more about your body and know how to help take care of it in the interim in between your sessions and and help facilitate a change that's longer lasting than just coming and laying on my table passively.

SPEAKER_02 14:04

Yeah, and I hope people understand that that's uh a lot of the reason why we talk through sessions, whether it be like um we are asking you questions about like, oh, your hips have been hurting, and we get in there and I start feeling things, and I'm like, yeah, are you a side sleeper? Like, this is why you're doing that. Do you sleep with a pillow in between your knees? You know, like I start asking people questions throughout, but then I'm also explaining to them, like, this is why I'm doing what I'm doing, because it ha it's going to have this prolonged effect on, well, if you side if you continue to side sleep, like we're gonna fix this and it's gonna affect this and things like that. I I feel like that's why we talk more. Uh I've had a few new people come in and they're like, Well, I didn't know I could talk to my therapist before, or I've never had a therapist explain to me stuff before, and I think that's how therapeutic is somewhat different than like Swedish massage, because Swedish massage are not there to really learn, but I think our office kind of like demands their involvement too.

SPEAKER_04 15:17

Well, we just suggest it really, we don't demand it, but it's if if someone comes to us and they're really looking for a change, like especially with the pelvic floor work, you know, that we talked about last time, yeah, um, it leading to so many other dysfunction in the body, like that's what you're there for. You want to feel better for longer for whatever your reasoning is, whether you know you're raising kids, whether you're raising grandkids, whether you just want to have a more active lifestyle and not hurt all the time, all of those things are pertinent to your quality of life.

SPEAKER_02 15:50

For sure.

SPEAKER_04 15:51

So making, you know, helping facilitate those changes with each client because each one is different on how you hold your body and how you sleep, where you hold your stress, and and if there's an emotional component to that as well. So full body massage is great, it's wonderful, and I do get them on occasion, but I also when I look at my at the body work that I receive, I also do a lot of caretaking for myself.

SPEAKER_02 16:21

For sure, because we are very hard on our bodies, which I feel like most people are, whether it be you live m more sedentary because you work at a desk all day and you sit, sit, sit, sit, sit. Um, and then you may or may not move your body after work, um, or you have a very physically demanding job and you use your body in different ways all the time, or repetitive movements all the time or whatnot. That's kind of what we're looking at.

SPEAKER_04 16:56

Yeah, I just um especially especially when I get work by different people. It's fascinating to see, like especially with like Bobby and his expertise of the body and how he listened. And then, you know, you you feel like your intake form, but then he listens to your body. Yeah. Like that's the part that I love. Like, oh, because our sessions were completely different.

SPEAKER_02 17:21

Yeah, for sure. You had uh face down and face up work, and I had face down and sideline work. Um but it was different because we had different stuff going on, so and that and that's how it that's how it should be.

SPEAKER_04 17:35

It should not be a a cookie-cutter experience for anybody.

SPEAKER_02 17:39

I think going back to what you said about um continuing education, like whether your therapist, I mean, obviously you have to find the right therapist for you either way. I feel like personality-wise, you have to get along, or it's not really a therapeutic relationship, it's not gonna work, right? Whether you talk or don't talk in your session, I mean, you have to, at bare minimum, like each other, you know. Um, but getting beyond that, I think it's important that when you do look for a therapist, you look for somebody who has the right continuing education for you. I mean, it's like for me the difference in like I don't do full-body MLD work, manual lymphatic drainage. I do not do full-body lymphatic drainage. I do like the VODR technique, and I do it very specifically for like medical stuff or lymphedema or post-surgical or whatnot. So I'm not gonna be a fit for somebody who wants full-body manual lymphatic drainage because it's very different. So I feel like going back to her earlier point, like, don't be afraid to ask your therapist, because if they're a good therapist, they're not gonna mind to provide, like, yeah, here's what I took, you know, um, here's my certification, like this is how it works versus how other ones work. Um, don't be afraid to ask your therapist for what kind of continuum ed they have, and then if they do have it, I know some therapists kind of practice stuff when they don't have, don't necessarily have the certification or have the certification completed, and um you may want to go a different route or you might be okay with that, but you know, don't be afraid to ask them what they have or ask to see their certifications either to make sure it'll fit.

SPEAKER_04 19:20

Yeah, and it's it's all it is totally fine to to have a phone conversation with your potential therapist and ask them all of these things. You know, what school did they go to? How long have they been licensed? Um, it is perfectly acceptable, and um I encourage that. That way you know what you're getting, that you're comfortable with your therapist, um, and that you know you both are a good fit for each other because sometimes you're just sometimes you're just not.

SPEAKER_02 19:53

No, and I I love that people ask us about our certifications. I mean, obviously, people ask me about Christina's certifications. I send people to her too, and I think it's important that you're able to talk about what they are and you know the difference in like your certifications and somebody else's, and you know, I mean, if I'm not the right fit for somebody, I want to help them find somebody who is. Um, I mean, even full body massage, like I have people that I refer to for full body massage.

SPEAKER_04 20:24

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_02 20:25

Um, but I think it's all about finding the right fit and educating the client on that. I mean, I don't know how many clients we've gotten in our office that they were like, we didn't know this was a thing.

SPEAKER_04 20:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 20:36

We just thought it was full body, or I didn't think massage could help me because uh, you know, it's just full body work, or uh, I didn't know that you could work on like you tongue ties for pediatrics with craniosacral or whatever, because cranios a lot of people think you know, craniosacral is one way, but there's like how many levels to craniosacral you have, how many craniosacral certifications like a ton.

SPEAKER_00 21:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 21:02

Um, but and and that's the difference. So, like one craniocacral therapist might have like level one and two done, and Christina's got like 10 levels done, and somebody else has got like 15 levels done, or however that works, and you might need something specific that the other therapist doesn't have. So it's good to ask questions about continuum yet, um, and specifically how many how many continuum yead hours they've done in person and hands-on.

SPEAKER_04 21:32

The hands-on part's super important.

SPEAKER_02 21:34

I personally don't think that online CEUs are great if you are learning a new modality. Like if you're just doing something if you're a therapist and you're just doing something through like AMTA, A, B and P that you're learning like ethics or just information. Yeah, information, then sure, do your online stuff, but Um doing a hands-on modality I think is very important to learn from the instructor who's teaching it, especially if it's an instructor who developed that specific thing. I feel like that teaches you the best because you're right there in front of them to look at their technique um and see it and try and do it and have them correct you rather than just watch it on camera and hope you get it right, you know. But I know it's not possible for people to go do hands-on stuff all the time either, so whether it be money or time or you know, whatever.

SPEAKER_04 22:37

Yeah, and you know, something else to maybe consider too is that um don't choose someone just because they're easy to get into.

SPEAKER_02 22:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 22:50

You know, choose somebody, choose somebody who's who's right for you. And sometimes that means waiting, just the same as you wait to get into the doctor sometimes. Sometimes that that's that's what that means.

SPEAKER_02 23:03

But um I would rather you wait and spend your money on something that's probably gonna help you more than oh, I just I went and got in the same day somewhere, and now I still don't believe in massage because it wasn't the right fit for me.

SPEAKER_04 23:18

That's the hard part for me. Yeah. Is when someone says, Oh, well, massage didn't work for me, and I'm like, Well, how many times do you try it? Well, once.

SPEAKER_02 23:25

Once with somebody I could get in the same day with that I didn't really look at what kind of therapist they were. I think that's the struggle for me. Plus, um, just the people who don't know how to ask for something more than full body, you know. Like I said earlier, I've had a bunch of clients that were like, Well, massage didn't work for me before, but I didn't do this.

SPEAKER_04 23:47

So And that and that's the thing too, is that people come in and sometimes um they don't understand the anatomy or the fascial parts of it. So education is part of our process with all of our clients. And so if someone comes in and says, Oh, well, it's always between my shoulder blades, it's always that's where I hurt all the time. Well, we have to look at we have to look at the reason why that's hurting. What do you do? How do you do it? Are you how are you sleeping? Um, and then address the muscular related to that. And that's not always the shoulder blades.

SPEAKER_02 24:21

Yeah. I tell people a lot that, you know, whether you see me or you s or you see Christina, it's not always gonna be we look at things very structurally, so it's not always gonna be exactly where you want. Like, sure, I can if your shoulder hurts, I can rub your shoulder and that might help it for a while. But, you know, if it's coming from your diaphragm or your back or your peck or your pelvic floor or your neck, then if I don't touch any of that, then it's not really gonna matter because it's gonna come back. And I think that's the difference in us as we look at structurally what's happening, like how they walk in, how are they standing there, how are they laying on the table, like what do they do for a living? We look at all these things to try to work backwards to fix what's actually going on. What is a when a client comes in for the first time, like you give them the intake paperwork, like, what happens? What's that look like for you?

SPEAKER_04 25:20

Um, well, I go through the intake paperwork and I'm like, okay, so when's the last time you had any body work? You know, was it six months, a year, five years ago? And what does bod mean? Did you do PT? Have you done dry needling? Have you done acupressure? Have you done stretching? Because there's a ton of stretch labs and stuff out there now, too. So we talk about that. We talk about what actually ails them, and sometimes there's some there's some education in that. Okay, so you know, I don't know, like, well, my left shoulder hurts all the time. Okay, well, what do you what do you do? Well, I'm a truck driver and I drive with my left hand because my right hand has a shift. Okay, so how long has that been going on? And um, then you kind of then you kind of go from there. And um sometimes it's mechanical and then sometimes it's emotional, and sometimes it's it's postural. So sometimes it means the client has to take some matters into their own hand to help their quality of life. Also, diet. Diet plays a big part in how your body feels, joint pain, um, digestion. Are you constipated? Um, are you do you have IBS? Are you nutritionally deficit? You know, there's there's it there's a lot that plays into it, and that's how they're that's how my intake goes. And yeah, and then I'm like, okay, well, this is what I, you know, I would like to do. Are you okay with that? And if they are, we do that. If not, we do whatever they want to do, and I just let them know that, you know, it's gonna help for a short amount of time, or this is what's gonna, this are the results that you're gonna have, or not.

SPEAKER_02 27:00

I think people forget a lot, and I don't know if whoever's listening to this listened to episode two, but that you're a holistic nutritionist. So that plays a big part into it, and I think that people kind of overlook that when you tell them, but it does. I mean, I have a client that specifically he tells me, you know, when I work on his lower back for lower back pain and stuff like that, he's like, if I drink bourbon, I know that my back's gonna hurt worse. I'm like, yeah, well, it's an inflammation response because it's alcohol in your body. Plus, what are you allergic to in the alcohol that doesn't come out in the distillation process?

SPEAKER_04 27:37

So And then is he drinking straight bourbon or is he having it old fashioned? Is there bitters in it or sugar in it? Like there's a there's a whole process to that too.

SPEAKER_02 27:47

I feel like people really overlook the nutritional part of it, but I feel like that's I feel like that's a asset to have. I mean, Christine is a holistic nutritionist, so whether you see me and I send you over there to her across the hall or you're in there with her, it's it's a factor that we look at um for what's going on and the VM too, like all paired together.

SPEAKER_04 28:09

Yeah, and then I have an aerobetic certification for nutrition too. So you look at it from different standpoints to help your whole constitution, basically.

SPEAKER_02 28:19

We try to take stuff like we're certified in a lot of the same things, but we're certified in opposites to um to try to encompass the whole body in some way to figure it out. So a lot of times, you know, people people say they feel kind of awkward if I'm like, hey, you need to go to Christina, or she's like, hey, you need to go to Lauren or or whatnot. But um a lot of times we work on the on the same client for different aspects to help them get to the to the end goal or to the root cost. To the root cause, yeah, to the root cost. Or like I've had clients before that you know I've worked on and I'm like, you know, this isn't really getting it. Um you you just need to see Christina because she's certified in something different than I that I'm not, and she can help you better. I mean, that's the whole that's the whole like foundation of this is to help them. So um, and if you're a new therapist, I mean I tell my business students all the time, like if you're gonna work with somebody, kind of try to get somebody and have a game plan to where you can do that, you know. I mean, you can't just work by yourself, you can't have every certification. I mean, half the time I feel like I say Christina Guy all day because, you know, half the time I'm like, hey, you need to have some VM work done, or hey, we need to ask Christina about what she thinks for craniosacral for this or or whatnot, just because we're trying to actually fix the issue instead of just kind of band-aid it and you come back every month. I mean, I would love for people to I would love to teach people to do things at home and then you know, then bounce back and forth between us and then them just not have to come back. That would be ideal. Um, I mean, a lot of people can't or won't do it at home, so of course they do come back, but um I think it's important. I think it's important when you go out on your own, if you're gonna work for yourself, that you have another therapist that you like in tandem work with.

SPEAKER_04 30:14

Or at least at least if you're in different locations, you know, be able to refer back and forth and also um I mean I bounce ideas off of.

SPEAKER_02 30:23

I mean, I say it all the time. I I could not work on my clients like I do without Christina because that's not true. I mean, all the certifications, they just go kind of hand in hand.

SPEAKER_04 30:40

You could totally run the Lauren show.

SPEAKER_01 30:43

It wouldn't be as fun without the spicy little redhead.

SPEAKER_04 30:49

But ultimately, I just feel like I feel like the client should have access to more information so they can make those decisions for themselves. And I think a lot of times at most places they just come in and lay on the table and leave again and nothing changes.

SPEAKER_02 31:12

But even like to the therapist, to the little like baby therapist, if anybody's if any baby therapist listens to these, just don't I mean it's like I tell my business students, I get it if you can't go somewhere because of like time, money, whatnot, and take certifications, right? But if you have the time and you have the money to go do so, like don't take the easy way out and and just say, Oh, I'm gonna do AMTA CEUs. I mean, go do something hands-on if you can and and challenge yourself and or pick something and send the money for it, pick something that really interests you, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 31:51

And mish that out.

SPEAKER_02 31:53

I don't think I don't think you do any favors not only to the client but to yourself. I mean, doing the same thing that's I feel like that's how burnout happens, you know. I mean, people we have one client that makes fun of me all the time that I'm gonna pull out my Rolodex of letters behind my name of all my certifications. But I think if you do that, I always have a different day every day and I always break it up and I always do different things, and I never get bored or I get I don't get like burnt out on things because I'm constantly like changing something in front of me, right? So I mean look at look at it from that way too. But we do a lot of cool stuff. We have a couple clients that we work on at in the same room at the same time, and um it's it's really cool to have somebody that I mean I'm lucky that Christina's in my in my office. I don't have to refer back and forth. I mean, she's right across the hallway. Um, but I think it's I think it's very exceptional to have somebody in my office of Christina's caliber to work in tandem with and work on the same clients with and work in the same room with um to problem solve to better the client. I think a lot of our clients would say that because a lot of our clients see both of us.

SPEAKER_04 33:11

Yeah. I mean our goal is to what eventually have a whole practice with different practitioners in there, you know? Um people who can address a little bit of everything, so basically we can be like a one-stop shop.

SPEAKER_02 33:30

Yeah, I mean, if you're you know, I for for my business people uh I mean I tell them all the time, like, listen, if you're gonna again, look, little baby therapists out there, if you're gonna pick somebody to go into business with, like, I mean, uh obviously your personalities have to fit, right? That's the first and foremost, because you know, but secondly, like, if you have a game plan of where you want to go and what you want to do with massage, like you have to really sit down and think about it and see if that other person fits with you. So think about that when you're picking like a business partner. And I like my last semester, I was like, everybody get your soapboxes out. I'm gonna stand on my soapbox and yap about this. But don't just pick somebody just because they're gonna pay half your bills, right? Pick somebody that for one you get along with, clearly, and you trust, but I mean, that that's going the same direction that you're going, and you'll go really far that way. You'll go farther than if you pick somebody that's just oh well, they're paying half my bills. If you want, if you want to be a therapeutic office and you want to go somewhere and go with a direction, right? If you're just gonna do full body massage or just do generic work or or whatever, then it kind of doesn't matter. But if you have an end goal game plan, you kind of have to pick somebody that goes with you.

SPEAKER_04 34:54

Yeah, and and that you two are on the same page, you know, or you three or you four, that you're all on the same page of of what the business is gonna look like and how you wanna how you wanna move it forward, because that's a that's a big important part of it. If if only one of you is driven to to expand or move forward or evolve. Haha, see what I did there? The space that you're in, then they might not be they might not be a good fit for you.

SPEAKER_02 35:26

No. And that's okay to to say no to somebody being your business partner. I mean there's a lot of things I couldn't do if I had a different business partner. Same. Just because I couldn't.

SPEAKER_03 35:41

Um what else you want to say? Is that it? That was it. You said um, so I thought you were gonna follow up that thought process though.

SPEAKER_02 35:55

That was it. I was thinking about all the all the things.

SPEAKER_04 36:00

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